ProjectSeleukid - how do you solve a problem like Magnesia?
Illustration from Ancient Warfare Magazine |
Units |
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Centre |
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Unallocated |
Companions |
Appian Livy 1,000 |
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Agema |
Appian |
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Appian Livy 1,000 |
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Argyraspid cavalry |
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Appian |
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Cataphracts |
Appian Livy 3,000 |
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Livy 3,000 |
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Galatian cavalry |
Appian Livy 2,500 |
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Appian |
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Tarantines |
Livy |
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Dahai and other mounted archers |
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Appian 200 Livy 1,200 |
Appian |
Arab camelry |
Livy |
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Appian |
Elephants |
Livy 16 |
Appian 22 Livy 22 |
Livy 16 |
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Scythed chariots |
Livy |
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Appian |
Argyraspides |
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Livy 6,000 |
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Macedonian phalanx |
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Appian 16,000 Livy 10,000 |
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Galatian foot |
Appian Livy 1,500 |
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Livy 1,500 |
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Kappadokians |
Appian Livy, 2000 |
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Cretans |
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Livy 1,500 |
Appian |
Neocretans |
Livy 1,000 |
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Trallians |
Livy 1500 |
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Livy 1,500 |
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Karians and Kilikians |
Livy 1,500 |
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Appian |
Pisidians, Lykians and Pamphylians |
Livy 4,000 |
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Appian |
Elymaian archers and Kyrtian slingers |
Livy 4,000 |
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Livy 4,000 |
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Thysian archers |
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Livy 2,500 |
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Unnamed tribes |
Appian Livy 2,700 |
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Unnamed skirmishers |
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Appian |
Appian |
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Of the two sources, Livy gives the much more precise breakdown, but neither author accounts for the total number of 70,000 given for the Seleukid army as a whole.
http://lukeuedasarson.com/Magnesia.html
ReplyDeleteHere is quite a definitive DBM scenario for Magnesia that should answer a lot of these questions. I've never heard of Argyraspid cavalry, but perhaps they were guard cavalry so perhaps these are another way or referring to the 1000 Agema that did fight on that wing? Sarson makes the Trallians ordinary Psiloi which probably makes them slingers or archers while the Kyrtians are superior Psiloi which makes them javelinmen. He also has a contingent of Mysian levy bowmen on the same flank as your Thysians? Mysia was an area in southern Anatolia if memory serves me right.
Thanks Mike. Interesting read. Unfortunately Sarson doesn't give any rationale for his interpretations - Kyrtians are certainly refered to as slingers in both sources. Mysians (NW Anatolia) are lumped with both Elymaians and Dahai in the sources, so I have not distinguished them here.
DeleteLate to this party (per usual) - very intriguing project and a bit inspiring. Have you given thought to table size for your replay of Magnesia?
ReplyDeleteA big one!
DeleteJoking aside though, no, I haven't even tried to work out ground scale... :/
A minor detail!
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